B5 Special Effects Remake (attempt)

You don't have various models in netural lighting? Interesting.

Of course i can set it up with neutral lightning,but you would have to add specular yourself then in PS. But it would be helpful to know where you want to position each ship so that i would know where to position the lights.
If you could give me more input i can help you visualize your idea. Besides all that talking about Severed Dreams makes me want to do my own setup,just to have an idea how it might look

Well, go for it. I will add in the effects for it the poster lighting, etc.

Make the scene how you want... maybe have two scenes...

One with the standoff just before everyone lights the tinderbox,
And one with all hell breaking loose.

You don't have various models in netural lighting? Interesting.

Of course i can set it up with neutral lightning,but you would have to add specular yourself then in PS. But it would be helpful to know where you want to position each ship so that i would know where to position the lights.
If you could give me more input i can help you visualize your idea. Besides all that talking about Severed Dreams makes me want to do my own setup,just to have an idea how it might look

Hahaha - now look what I've gone and done! (Severed Dreams.)

Ok this is more of a conceptual test to see how it would look in 1080p ,there are still details missing but atm i am too tired to continue. I will add more into it after i had some sleep.

Absolutely beautiful. I am going to work with the conceptual and see what I can do.

I love your work Lemon Wolf. Keep up the good work!

[TheTechMaster]

There are a lot of errors in those CGI models.

Babylon 5 is NOT that thin and the rotating sections on the Omegas are WAY too big.

Looks like older and less accurate CGI models from years back.

The station model is rather old thats true but the omega is very new and by far the most detailed B5 mesh ever done by a fan (Meurig made it). The proportions are fine from what i can tell.

Ok, I dragged out my old ADC eq / octave spectrum analyzer, and took a look at my B5 3rd season DVD #3: First I looked at the levels in the intro (what comes up initially when you pop in the DVD), because it sounded like there was a little low stuff there, in some of the music. The results, from the output of my preamp, with everything set flat*, are on my website at:

http://praudio.com/site/wp-content/uplo ... init-a.jpg

and, I'll attempt to post it here (have never tried this before)...




Then I took a look at the "Beseiged" segment (the battle for the station):

http://praudio.com/site/wp-content/uplo ... ged-a1.jpg



Woohoo...! I can't believe I got that (posting the images here) to work. Only took 2 tries!)

Every tiny defect in the analyzer's display, that's barely visible in normal lighting, shows up, too. Ah, well.

At any rate, the low end is really losing it. The opening audio isn't too bad: Straight out of my Yamaha preamp, the 25 Hz level is down about 10 dB* from the 160 Hz (upper bass) level. But in the battle scene, the 25 Hz (band) level is down 18 dB!!! That's a LOT. That 18 dB drop means the power in the octave around 25 Hz is about 1.6% of the power in the octave around 160 Hz. No wonder my woofers weren't kicking around much!

*Note that about 1-1.5 dB of that 25 Hz loss is in the preamp itself. (Maybe some capacitors in it are getting old?) However, the comparison between the various pieces of audio still holds, as that minor loss applies equally to all of the pieces of source material.


And speaking of comparisons, this is what I got, playing through the end of the 1812 Overture (Telarc CD), which includes the cannon shots, of course:

http://praudio.com/site/wp-content/uplo ... larc-a.jpg

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Quite a difference!

The last image isn't quite as good, as daylight had passed and the camera can't seem to get as good an image with just the room lights going -- the lighted segments and such sort of wipe out the CCD a bit. I'll try to get a better pic tomorrow. I'll also post responses off other source material soon. Those will be added to this page:

http://praudio.com/site/b5-3rd-season-a ... alysis-p1/

Now, the real question is: How much can my DBX subharmonic synthesizer, and perhaps some added eq. and dynamic processing, help things out?

Oh boy i have to admit that i dont have any clue what you are talking about.
But it sure seems interesting. Is there a way you could show us some before and after samples so that we actually hear the difference?

Oh boy i have to admit that i dont have any clue what you are talking about.
But it sure seems interesting. Is there a way you could show us some before and after samples so that we actually hear the difference?

Hi, LW,

Basically, those graphs just show that there isn't much of what I would call "real low end" on the B5 DVD's. Now, I am not talking about comparing to rap and "bass music" CD's, which can be really grotesque audio: That Telarc 1812 Overture record, and then the CD, sort of took over from Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon", years ago, as a standard for audiophiles of what could be done to reproduce intense low end, realistically. I suppose I should say "One of the standards", really, there are many other good music + sound effect recordings out there. In fact, "The Klingon Battle" (also on a Telarc CD) is another piece of audio I'll try posting a curve on, soon. The T. Rex segment of Jurassic Park is also fun.

If anyone here has a friend with a good car audio system (clean sound, but goes really deep on the bass) the Telarc stuff like "The Klingon Battle" is just awesome to experience. That's harder to achieve in a home system, unless perhaps you have Aura Sound or "Buttkicker" shakers, but it can be done. Still, even if you "only" have a good (good!) home subwoofer, the difference between the B5 DVD's and the Telarc CD's is pretty noticeable.

Strange as it might seem, I've never done much audio recording on a computer, other than making a few assortment CD's for my car. And, even then I usually use a stand-alone CD recorder (sounds better). However... I did download what is supposed to be a pretty good audio-to-computer recording program, Audacity, recently. It will probably be a few days, but, let me see what I can come up with...

That sounds very nice Cant wait to hear some samples.

P.S. Back to rendering some close ups of the omega for TM

I was playing "The Klingon Battle" a little while ago. It's a tough piece to get a representative visual sampling of, because the really low stuff is superceded by absolutely tremendous musical crescendos. Still, there is one synth. tone I call "the V'ger note"... I'll try to capture it visually. Gotta put this all to rest for now though - my wife is back home & trying to get our daughter to go to sleep! (No more foundation cracking tonight!)

@TM
Alright here the first close up.
I have another version of an omega with a smaller rotating section but its much less detailed than this one you see here. The question is what would you rather see. A model thats maybe exactly like it should (from the proportions) or some highly detailed model that is really close?





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[TheTechMaster]

I care less about detail then I do accuracy.

NO attempt to re-make the CGI for Babylon 5 should be done with inaccurate models.

The proportions HAVE to be right.